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Sitting down to speak up
Tuesday, 02 August 2011

issaq_ahmedIt’s a historic new position to represent the views of thousands of trainees within one of the UK’s biggest surgical colleges. Mark Baillie caught up with Issaq Ahmed to find out how he is handling life as the RCSEd’s first-ever Trainee Member of Council

As he was stepping into his first Council meeting as Trainee Member of Council, a senior member of the College remarked to Issaq Ahmed, ‘You do realise that you’re about to make history.’ This was no hyperbole – the RCSEd is the first of the UK and Ireland’s four surgical colleges to formally appoint a trainee as a member of their governing bodies, and to do so after 506 years is a clear signal of the importance of trainees in today’s medical politics.

Given that his is arguably one of the most important positions within the RCSEd, you might expect him to show some sign of the weight of expectation now resting on him, both from trainees and from the RCSEd. But if he is feeling the pressure, he’s keeping it well hidden. Talking to him fresh from his second Council meeting, he does not give the impression of someone who is still getting to grips with a big role – nor is there any hint that he is feeling under pressure in his ‘historic’ new position.

So how does one approach their first outing in such a major role? ‘Prior to applying for the position I spent time looking into the history of the College and its role within the surgical community. My first meeting was really an opportunity for me to introduce myself to the Council and begin getting to grips with the College business.’

His second Council meeting was a slightly different affair. Coming just the day after the College’s annual trainees’ meeting, there were some pressing issues which he needed to get across to Council. ‘I had the opportunity to discuss trainees’ views on the role of the JCST. Having put across the trainee view and my own feelings, it became very apparent that the College shares similar views to trainees on the issue of JCST.’

Graduating in Electrical Engineering from Dundee in 1998, and after spending a brief time with Jaguar Cars he decided to fulfil a lifelong ambition to study medicine. Once into medicine, he didn’t waste any time, winning the AK Johnston Prize for an audit project and picking up a Scottish International Scholarship for research.

So what made him move from engineering into medicine? ‘The desire to study medicine and become a doctor stemmed from my early school years. However, at that time I was very much interested in computers, cars and technology and that’s really where I saw my career headed. I really didn’t see a link with medicine at that time.’

It wasn’t until he began studying engineering and was living with three medical students that Issaq realised there was a lot of common ground between engineering and some fields of medicine.

‘Fortunately in my final year as an engineering student I had the opportunity to work with an orthopaedic surgeon on a research project investigating the use of simple x-rays to predict fracture risk. It was through this research project that I became interested in orthopaedics. But most importantly it was through his help and support that I managed to obtain a place at medical school.’

Although the conversion to medicine was not without its challenges, once into orthopaedics training he found there were distinct advantages to having a background in engineering: ‘When it came to learning about the science of orthopaedics, it was very helpful to have a previous understanding of mechanics, materials, and engineering principles which form the basis of various orthopaedic implants.’

Past greats of UK orthopaedics who had experience of engineering such as Sir John Charnley would no doubt have agreed with this sentiment.

Issaq passed his MRCSEd in 2006 and since then has worked as an e-tutor for the College’s ESSQ programme, as well as being a peer-reviewer for several orthopaedic journals including the Cochrane Musculoskeletal Group. Out of programme work is another area that he believes is vital for trainees in order to broaden their experience. He described his own out of programme visit to South Africa as a tremendous opportunity to experience orthopaedics in a region with limited resources.  

Like many Fellows and Members, Issaq was attracted by the College’s rich history and its reputation. ‘Although a lot of my consultants were Edinburgh Fellows, there wasn’t any pressure from them to affiliate with the RCSEd – it was more a case of feeling inspired to follow a similar path to them.’

But even before that, during his medical school years, he recalls that he was always aware of the College’s presence in some capacity – ‘… either through open days or courses for undergraduates. And I think that early exposure to a particular college is very important.’

Although he is a member of BOTA, he decided against standing for election to BOTA’s governing committee. As he carefully puts it: ‘I didn’t want to be perceived as representing too strongly the interests of BOTA in my position on RCSEd Council. I want to be credible as a representative of trainees from all surgical specialties.’

The first question many trainees will want to ask is where he stands on the Working Time Directive. Given the strongly anti-WTD position that some prominent trainee associations have taken, his view on the topic is both surprising and refreshing: ‘In continental Europe, everyone trains within 48 hours. They’ve been doing it for a lot longer than we have but we don’t hear anyone saying surgeons in Europe aren’t being adequately trained. So perhaps we need to look to our European colleagues to see how they do it.’

Drilling down to the root of the issue, he continues: ‘It’s not a question of whether you can train in 48 hours, the challenge is putting the service commitments back and allowing training to happen at the right time and in the right situation.’

Looking at the wider picture of trainee representation across the UK, he says the situation is healthy and that interlinking between trainee and non-trainee associations is working well. But this doesn’t mean he’s complacent about his role: ‘The way the College’s Surgical Specialty Groups are structured with a trainee rep from that specialty on each group should ensure that all trainee views are heard. But if any trainee or trainee group did have a particular concern or point to raise then I would encourage them to contact me – that’s why I’m here.’

He’s well aware this could lead to situations where he is the bearer of opinions and comments that are contrary to those of the senior members of Council. But, as he matter-of-factly puts it: ‘There will be times when the President and I don’t agree on certain issues. It would be wrong for me to sit on the fence and say “yes, I agree with every view expressed on Council.” My role is to represent trainees.’

And that’s want he plans to do.

 

Note from the author, Issaq Ahmed:

“Following on from responses to the online publication of this article, and to avoid possible ambiguity, I would like to emphasise that, as a trainee myself, I do not endorse restricted hours for surgical trainees, but share the view of many others, including the RCSEd , that such a reduction has had a detrimental effect on our training – a view that I shall be voicing during my time on Council.  

“What I wanted to share were the views of some people in Europe who were indicating that they were managing to work and train in 48 hours, albeit in some instances excluding oncall commitments, and to put forward this model as a possible means of training within the restricted hours.”

  

Note from the Editor, John Duncan:

“The view of Council, in response to the Temple Report, is that the introduction of EWTR has had a negative effect on training, a view backed up by a College membership survey.

“The College supports continued lobbying to re-examine the hours available for training, particularly the SiMap and Jaeger rulings. This position is similar to that expressed by the AoMRC earlier this year.

“Council established a Short-life Working Group to explore how to maximise training opportunities and quality within the existing regulation. The SLWG reported to Council last year; the report was published and initiatives such as simulation and support for trainers are being pursued actively by the College.”

Comments (20)Add Comment
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written by ben dean, August 09, 2011
I disagree. We need more hours now.


The rest of Europe tends to ignore the EWTD and this is how they cope. We stick to it and it is killing our training.
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written by Liz Smith, August 09, 2011
I agree with the above comment by ben dean. At a recent course I had the opportunity to speak to a surgical registrar from Holland. She regularly worked 70hours a week. When I asked 'what about EWTD?' she said that in Holland it was disregarded for all registrar training posts. While i'm not saying that I particularly want to work 70hours+ per week I think that the suggestion that alll other European countries are sticking rigidly to EWTD is clearly simply not true and it is worrying that our new trainne representative is so out of touch with reality.
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written by Tristan Lane, August 09, 2011
No one in the world follows the EWTD except the UK where training and cutting is suffering. It is a shame that the only trainee on a RCS board is mistaken in the extreme.
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written by Tristan Lane, August 09, 2011
Completely wrong
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written by anish kadakia, August 09, 2011
People in responsible positions should weigh their statements based on hard facts. Its a bit sad that our only representative at the Royal College has got this "most important" issue completely wrong. If only his research into this topic was as proactive and thorough as his research into the history of RCS. Well i just have one suggestion to make - Dear Colleague, please dont make a blunder that will ruin surgical training forever in this country.
Most surgical trainees in this country would agree 'Surgical training is not adequate with EWTD'.
Lets have a referendum, shall we?
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written by Alasdair Thomas, August 09, 2011
It is a real shame that Issaq has not represented the very well researched and documented opinion of the trainees he is representing. This is that they are not being trained within a 48 hour week.

He has also ignored the BMA's research into the working practices within the rest of Europe which showed a lack of implementation and monitoring in most other countries.

Issaq should also closely scrutinise the level of training achieved in several European countries. Surgeons who have been on the speciality register in some European countries have been applying for further training in the UK and/or entry onto the speciality register in the UK. When you speak to these surgeons their level of experience and competence falls below that we would expect when awarding a CCT.


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written by Steve Hornby, August 09, 2011
I am afraid that, whilst Mr Ahmed is entitled to his opinions, they are in no way representative of the opinions of the current training body.

I would draw people's attention to this link

http://www.asit.org/assets/documents/ASiT_BOTA_EWTD_Survey_Press_Release___
November_2009.pdf

This a Joint ASIT and BOTA press release regarding trainee attitudes to the EWTD.

From my contact with European colleagues, on the whole, they ignore the directive. Those who's governments are looking to implement the regulations are now looking to the current standard of training in the UK and are worried that their own systems will go that way.

We should not be proud of this.

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written by matei, August 10, 2011
I grew up in France, my father is a doctor in France, my other half is Spanish and has worked as a doctor in Spain. I have friends who work as doctors/surgeons in Spain, France, Germany, Austria and the UK. They know about EWTD but they do not respect it, many rotas do not take ETWD in account. Maybe EWTD is gaining support but is it not yet accepted by all European countries, not least by the very countries who suggested ETWD in first place. Your statement is not necessarily true but it does unfotunately show the political direction of the college... :(
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written by J Dawson, August 10, 2011
For an objective view based on the views of over 1600 trainee surgeons, rather than the subjective view of one individual, please see http://www.asit.org/news/wtd_implementation
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written by Marc Bailey, August 10, 2011
It is well established that training is technically possible in a 48 hour week, if most of the 48 hours is spent training rather than providing a service. This is not currently the case and there is no clear path to this way of working. The lost hours have been taken from training time over service provision. I certainly spent the majority of my working week providing an NHS service.

There is nowhere in Europe obviously providing optimal surgical training in a true EWTD 48 hour week. Either the training is suboptimal or the EWTD is ignored, avoided or circumnavigated.

It is important that a trainee representative is aware of these issues and the feeling of the surgical trainee body is adequately portrayed to council. I am not sure how this is possible for one individual without a network of colleagues to give input from members of the college around the UK.
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written by Daniel, August 10, 2011
This gentleman clearly has not engaged in many of the arguements for and against the EWTD in surgical training. ASIT, PLASTA and BOTA have all expressed concerns and there is good evidence a significantly higher proportion of us think it is detrimental. Moreover I cannot think of one EUU state that adheres to the EWTD, or pays the central politicans the "fines" that are supposed to be in place for those contravening the laws.
This is a poor start for a lone ranger trainee rep who is unrealistic about how our trianing has evolved in the last 2-3years.
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written by Thomas Pinkney, August 10, 2011
".....his view on the topic is both surprising and refreshing"

- I'd suggest ill-informed and naive would be more appropriate descriptive terms for Mr Ahmed's opinions on EWTD.

How has it arisen that one autonomous trainee is representing all trainee members' opinions at RCSEd?
Is it just because their council recognise it will be easier to push one person into submission (as opposed to a representative of an appropriately elected democratic association of trainees) whilst still being able to maintain that they "take into account the views of trainees"?

This is a backward step; I am glad that I'm not a member of the Edinburgh college.
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written by s subramonia, August 10, 2011
Soinds like he has been told to speak what the college wants to hear! Having been involved with pre- and post-48 hour week era and seeing the way our training is run currently, there is no way surgical training will deliver the skills essential to become a Consultant within the stipulated time scale. I can see it in my juniors and easily compare it to how I was at their stage in the training.
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written by James Haddow, August 10, 2011
This is one of the biggest issues in training today and Mr Ahmed is not well informed on the subject. If he speaks for the trainees then he should not duck the difficult issues. It is widely regarded by us all that EWTD is ruining surgical training.
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written by Greg Taylor, August 11, 2011
Mr Ahmed is clearly a very accomplished professional. However, academic success does not qualify him to represent his fellow trainees reliably. I respect his decision not to seek election within BOTA so as not to represent orthopaedic views only - but by not representing any trainee body, he is currently in a postion to represent no views but his own. It is interesting that the ASIT representation at RCSEd has recently been removed. The ASIT position on EWTD is at complete odds with Mr Ahmed's statements. This position is gathered via valid democratic processes from its trainee members, and reflects my own veiws toghether with any trainee colleague with whom I have discussed this issue.

I can understand that training can be acheived within 48hrs. But only if all of that 48hrs is training, and at least 75% of that is operative. However, this cannot currently happen alongside service provision. I.e. not within the NHS is it exists today So the options are: draw up a plan to reconfigure the NHS in it's entirety, or lobby for a veto of EWTD, allowing surgeons to work a few more hours a week and enabling sensibly staffed 24 hour on-call rotas.

It is clear to me which option is the obligation of the Royal Colleges.

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written by Ben, August 11, 2011
I think it's incredibly disappointing to see trainee groups deliberately undermining Mr Ahmed and emailing out the suggestion to criticize him on this forum. I don't feel that is a constructive method to take their disagreement forward.

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written by Robert Davies, August 11, 2011
I read with great concern the recent article introducing the ‘historic’ RCSEd trainee council member, Mr. Issaq Ahmed. Not only is he misinformed, but perhaps most worrisome is his claim to represent the surgical trainee. It has been quite clearly demonstrated that the majority of surgical trainees do not support the EWTD and feel its introduction has had a negative impact on training. Our continental colleagues share this sentiment and continue to work outside the boundaries of this directive with their respective governments adopting a more laissez-faire attitude to its implementation. Unless Mr. Ahmed has undertaken a recent survey that I am unaware of, he has fundamentally misinterpreted the recent evidence on this subject or, perhaps more concerning, unashamedly ignored it. May I respectively suggest that in order for Mr. Ahmed’s council position to be truly historic he should at the very least portray accurately the views of the trainees to the council as opposed to those of the council to the trainees.
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written by R. West, August 12, 2011
Quality of training has to be at least as important as the quantity (in terms of hours). Trainees, the tutors, the colleges and intersted parties should work together to ensure that the training we recieve within the 48 hours is of the highest possible quality, before deciding the whole situation is failing. I do not want to work extra hours, only to have those hours filled with more paperwork or shifts covering ward work that in themselves do not address my learning needs. Hours should only be increased with the agreement of the trainees involved, with a specification of how our training needs would be met in this time and how we would be renumerated.
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written by C Barker, August 12, 2011
Mr Issaq has been poorly informed on the issue of EWTD compliance in Europe. It is most disappointing that the individual views of a RCSEd trainee ‘representative’ have failed to represent those of the overwhelming majority of surgical trainees on this issue. If similarly unrepresentative views are forthcoming may I suggest that Mr Issaq’s position may be historical rather than ‘historic.’
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written by ben dean, August 12, 2011
To Ben who says:

"I think it's incredibly disappointing to see trainee groups deliberately undermining Mr Ahmed and emailing out the suggestion to criticize him on this forum. I don't feel that is a constructive method to take their disagreement forward. "

Not a good point I'm afraid.

The general feeling of trainees is that Mr Ahmed's views do not represent them, therefore I would suggest you argue your point rather than claiming Mr Ahmed just shouldn't be criticised because he shouldn't be!

I suggest Ben take note of the views of trainees/ASiT/BOTA/Remedy etc before defending a rather indefensible viewpoint.

regards

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